MID WARS - OQO unleashed

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[PlacidoDomenech]

Thanks to Intel ATOM, MIDs will arrive ... NOW!

Willcom D4
Lenovo http://www.oqotalk.com/index.php/topic,2961.0.html
Aigo
Clarion
Gigabyte M528 http://www.oqotalk.com/index.php/topic,2530.0.html
Benq
Viliv http://www.oqotalk.com/index.php/topic,1505.0.html
LG BX
Wibrain http://www.oqotalk.com/index.php/topic,1564.0.html
Digifriends...

... and OQO 

Most Linux, some with XP option, some with Vista.

How do you think, the next OQO must 'battle' in this MID Wars, that have started?

"The Mobile Internet Revolution starts here." - techradar.com

[stuartguthrie]

How do you think, the next OQO must 'battle' in this MID Wars, that have started?

I honestly don't believe that this is a battle that OQO need to worry about. I personally believe that MIDs and the OQO are aimed at two completely different markets. I see OQOs target audience as being users who need a pocketable full-featured PC without any compromises whereas most MID users only need to be able to perform certain tasks such as e-mail and internet browsing. I personally believe that we are trying to compare two completely different things - i.e. apples and oranges.

Just my two cents.

Stu

[Dave P]

I have to agree with Stuart.

MIDs seem to be designed for people who want big screen smart phones. The OQO (and other UMPCs) are designed for people who want small screen laptops.

I think theOQO will be fine if it's the best PC to meet two requirements:

1) Pocketable (which I'd define as 3x5x1 inch, more or less) and,

2) Vista PC (even if you prefer XP, if it can't run Vista, it's not going to be able to handle my application programs).

MIDs tend to fail both. Other UMPCs tend to fail the first. Netbooks tend to fail both. Small laptops fail the first.

We'll see if Sony replaces the UX but, for now, the OQO is the master of its domain.

[PlacidoDomenech]

Willcom D4
It is a MID or a UMPC? Apple or Orange? 
Run Windows Vista. In some aspects inferior to OQO, in other better.
http://www.pocketables.net/2008/08/review-willcom.html

Aigo / Clarion / Gigabyte MID
Run full blown Windows XP. Better in OQO, but run.
http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3393&forum=29

Wibrain MID
Run full blown Windows, WinXP. 1Gb ram, 16ssd
http://www.umpcfever.com/news/?postid=1213

LG MID
Run full blown Windows, Win Vista. 1Gb ram, 60 HD, full keyboard.
http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=161

ASUS
Run full blown Windows Vista. 1gb ram, 32ssd, touch screen, gps...
http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=152

Well, Intel say this... "MIDs will run Windows XP and Vista"  May be have reason.. but they don't have doubts 

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=12589

OQO is presentend in IDF as one more MID.
I love OQO... but i want they lead MID/UMPC Windows market and need to know 'real' news or moves... Or we, the community, say what expect from the next OQO for be a real winner. The MID WARS has started 

[jkim]

The term MID is being misused or misdefined by the public. Mini PCs that run full operating systems like XP, Vista, etc. are being called MIDs. They really should be called UMPCs since they run a full OS.

In my mind, the MID runs a slimmed-down version of Linux or some other type of OS. The prime example is the Nokia n810 that runs a simple version of Linux, but also limits what type of applications can be loaded (for instance, no Open Office).

[Bungee]

The term MID is being misused or misdefined by the public.

Totally agree. I, for one, am sick and tired of different marketing departments tossing different terms around.

Judging from this IDF sign, Intel wants to label anything spotting an Intel Atom Processor as a MID, regardless of whether it's Linux, XP or Vista based.
And although the OQO wasn't listed, it was spotted during IDF too.

UMPCs, Netbooks, MIDs... whatever.
http://gizmodo.com/394094/subnotebook-vs-umpc-vs-netbook-wtf-is-the-difference

Anyway, competition is good. IMO, OQO already has a killer design and should continue to focus on improving the quality, reliability, performance and battery life of their product and avoid getting sucked into the low-end market, where many 'MIDs' appear to be congregating.

[BurningOrange]

PlacidoDomenech: none of the devices you listed have an active digitizer. Except the OQO.

I think it is also important to distinguish devices by the way one interacts with them: you mention keyboard (none/small/full), sometimes the mouse (yes/no/trackstick/trackpad/optical) and so the digitizer (active/passive/dual/none) should be taken into account in your list of specifications for devices.

[PlacidoDomenech]

I mentioned a lot of MIDs. Every one have various technical specs,

'keyboard (none/small/full), sometimes the mouse (yes/no/trackstick/trackpad/optical) and so the digitizer (active/passive/dual/none)'

I'm agree. But the question of this topic is... What is important for OQO Company, for OQO users, for non OQO user but want one... in technical specs, in price, in marketing terms, etc. that do one person buy an OQO an not that pletora of 'dark force' MIDs 

BurningOrange: For you, Active Digitizer... is vital. Ok. May be optional. See how other provider do so....

http://www.tabletkiosk.com/tkstore/pc/viewcategories.asp

I think touch screen option is 'Absolutely a must have'. See this poll of the forum

http://www.oqotalk.com/index.php/topic,2968.0.html

I want a big debate of what we want in next OQO that can compite in this MID WARS for win it. 

What about do a public web database of all MIDS/UMPC/MiniPC (not netbooks in first stage), and can compare all them??? I think this is a great idea. I see this in another pages, but don't like it a lot.


 

[PlacidoDomenech]

MID WARS exists?

See this link please
http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/08/33-menlow-mids-not-bad-for-your-first-year-intel/

and this ...
http://www.umpcportal.com/2008/04/1386/

OQO is listed in....like a MID.  but please  ....the word is not important, only the functionality.

[Bungee]

What is important for OQO Company, for OQO users, for non OQO user but want one... in technical specs, in price... etc

It's all been discussed (as have many of the products listed above) within the many pages & topics of this forums. Knock yourself out.

[PlacidoDomenech]

the word is free. and users determine what is important, relevant or repetitive. i respect your opinion but don´t think so.

I hope more creative opnions

[Dave P]

The OQO needs to make it clear tha it is NOT a MID.

MIDs are smaller, lighter, quieter, cooler, and, most significant, cheaper than the OQO and always will be. The OQO has to make it clear that it's a teeny laptop - a real PC that fits in your pocket.

If people see the Nokia Internet Tablets as its competition, it will lose. It needs to be seen as a competitor to the Dell/HP/Lenovo Tablet laptops.

[Bungee]

The OQO needs to make it clear that it is NOT a MID... It needs to be seen as a competitor to the Dell/HP/Lenovo Tablet laptops.

Well said, Dave. MIDs can go fight their 'WARS' with smartphones, wireless PVRs & Internet tablets, and what nots.

[PlacidoDomenech]

1.'MIDs are smaller?'
4-5 inches the same as the OQO. Not true.

2.lighter?
OQO with atom will be thinner.See Gigabyte.
The people want OQO lighter and thinner to be truly pocketable.
Can you put OQO with double capacity in your pocket.

3.quieter?cooler?
The same as 2.

4.cheaper?
I think 2.000-3.000$ OQO is very expensive. But depends, if you need the features, buy it at any price...and if only OQO offer it. Better for OQO  But i propose a commercial line with an entry or low cost model, so all the people that want and OQO can purchase it
See the topic http://www.oqotalk.com/index.php/topic,2990.0.html

And the price...but whitout loss of quality is vital for business customers that must purchase 10 or 20 OQOs. But repeat...all depends of the benefits of use OQOs (increase productivity, no paper, real time info, etc.).

5. a real PC that fits in your pocket?
wibrain, lg, wilcom, and other propose the same. A full blown windows in your pocket
OQO must be different in others things...not only this.

6.If people see the Nokia Internet Tablets as its competition, it will lose?
Why do you think so? I want the people can purchase an entry level OQO and not a Nokia Internet Table. Can OQO lost position or simply don't want one in this market?

7.It needs to be seen as a competitor to the Dell/HP/Lenovo Tablet laptops.
And with laptops, netbooks, etc. and not only this, also LG, Acer, Asus, Gigabyte, etc.
I think OQO competitor is any that sell a 'anywhere / anytime full windows pocketable pc' (better than mid?)

8.To MID or not to MID? That is the question.
'OQO Atom-based was unveiled at the Intel Developer Forum in San Francisco labelled as "OQO MID".' - Wikipedia
I am not worried about the name/word. Please is so important....?? But i agree with you... OQO is more, a lot more than a low end MID. But in internet, and since IDF, most say OQO is a MID... See http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail/?display=discussion&code=cotn%3AIMG.L&thread=4172401&it=le&action=list
Repeat, i want the next OQO win all the MIDs in functionality, not in name what is iPhone? I ant to know what can do with this, not the technical term.

OQO must position his device clearly in the new mobile market so the customers can decide what is the better device fit your requirements.

[PlacidoDomenech]

Asus attacks with r50...
http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=12569

and there is a r50 with keyboard
http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2008/04/asus-r50-to-get-keyboard.html

When OQO give us 'real' news?  For some companies like ours, it is strategic to know it. Why not a public roadmap? I hope in september or maximum october we know more.